
Last year in September, Ali Sina, an ex-Muslim, and Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, one of the leading scholars of Pakistan, were requested to engage in a debate around the criticism that Mr. Sina had launched against Islam. Both accepted the proposal with Dr. Khalid Zaheer, a former professor of Lahore University of Management Sciences and currently an academic at Al-Mawrid institute, representing Mr. Ghamidi. The debate last a few months and continued until earlier this year.
The text of the debate is quite interesting to say the least. Dr. Zaheer's premise was that Quran is the book of God, and it is only Quran and Sunnah that he would defend Islam upon. From the very beginning, he made it clear that all discussions should take place with this assumption in mind. On the other hand, while Ali Sina started off with criticism on Quran, very soon the bulk of his arguments was based on Muslim beliefs and practices and his understanding of Islam based on hadith, history, and other works on Islam.
Ali Sina boasts a reward of $50,000 to anyone who 'proves' him wrong on charges he has brought against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and 'proves' that Muhammad (pbuh) is the true messenger of God. In the beginning of the debate, Ali Sina agreed that the debate is not for polemics but for finding out the truth. But unfortunately, in the exchange that he carried with Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and Dr. Khalid Zaheer, the tone was nothing but libels against Islam, discrediting all arguments brought forth by the scholars. In addition, the arguments brought forth by the Dr. Zaheer were often not addressed and instead, derogatory charges were brought against Muslims time and again.
It is also interesting that Ali Sina held Dr. Zaheer and entire Muslim community guilty of actions of some Muslims. For instance, threats for apostasy made against Ali Sina led him to conclude that that was what Islam preached and that was what all the Muslims wanted. Irrespective of Dr. Zaheer's negation that apostasy in Islam ought not to be punished, Ali Sina not only insisted upon it but also concluded that all Muslims are, in fact, simply mendacious. Obviously, any debate which accuses the other party of lies when they present their opinion is not quite a debate rather merely an invective. Such was the tone on which this discussion ended.
Instead of finding objective answers, his debates have become a "mouse-trap" situation, he continuosly tries to trap the Muslims, and his red herring waffles really are repetetive.
The reason is simple may be he was not a Muslim before and is just part of Anti Islamic organization who uses this tactic to put doubt Muslims.
But the truth is that they will never EXTINGUISH Islam that's the promise of Allah (swt) no matter what they say against it !
Their intention is to extinguish God's Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But God will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). [The Holy Quran 061:008]
May ALLAH offer him hidayah................Aameen
If ali sina or any one of his companions do stumble upon this message I want to tell them how I feel about him/them. They are perhaps somewhat educated people who have little knowledge about true teachings of islam. Despite their apparent education and repeated claims of being great thinkers and writers I very humbly state that their arguments are completely illogical and devoid of true understanding of islam. On their website they have challenged that whoever will prove their statements about the prophet and islam to be untrue they will reward him/her with $50000 and will shut down their website.this shows their desparation to engage muslims in their meaningless arguments. After all faith freedom is a website which is generating revenues in the form of funds from anti islamic forces and ali sinas are making good money by criticising islam only for the sake of criticism. In fact it has become a trend these days to claim that you are an ex muslim and thereafter to earn money by uttering all kinds of stupidity about islam and muhammad.
Islam has survived criticism for the last fourteen hundred years and during this period many ali sinas have come and gone and centuries have seen islam getting stronger and stronger. Faithfreedom claims that islam is under some kind of threat that never was perhaps because ali sinas have come up with some out of the world arguments against it. However, almost all the arguments raised by ali sinas have been discussed and debated upon since the birth of islam. Ali sinas have not come up with a single new argument against islam. That goes on to show that the claim of ali sina re their superiorty of thought/argument is completely void.
In my humble opinion no muslim scholar or student should argue/debate with ali sinas unless they adhere to some decorum of religious debates and show some degree of respect for the sentiments of the followers of one of the major religions of the world.
All muslims who disagree with ali sina, his unreasonable arguments and rude, illogical manner of his debate are requested to very politely convey their message and feelings to ali sinas. Further all muslims are requested to pray before almighty allah that he may show ali sina the right path because he seems to be an educated person who has gone astray and if he keeps aside all his prejudices and honestly and sincerely try to study islam and muhammad as a devoted student then he may stumble upon the right path with allah blessings only.
Well, if you read Mr. Sina's website, the reason why he rejected Dr. Naik's invitation was a live debate not a written debate. If we put you in Mr. Sina's shoe, you will not do a live debate because live debate mean exposing yourself. You know there's fatwa and price on his head. So Mr. Sina is doing the right thing not to reveal himself. Besides, written debate would be a perfect choice, since vievers has more time to verify information. You should read Mr. Sina's rebuttal on Dr.Zakir Naik debate with Dr. Campebell to prove that written debate is more powerful than live debate. On live bebate with Dr. Cambell, not a single viever were aware that Dr. Naik made errors.
There're several invitation for Dr.Naik to "face" Mr. Sina on a written debate. But Mr. Naik refused Written Debate.
About written debate by Ali Sina vs Khalid Zaheer and Ghamidi, if you are neutral and think logically, you'll agree with me that Mr. Sina won that debate. Notice that Mr.Zaheer did not answer few questions.
In fact I praise Dr Zaheer and Ghamdi for having the patience to deal with a person who was not good at anything other than going round in circles, not sticking to a point till it is settled in order to not just confuse the readers but to exhaust the opponents with his polemic and made them come out of the debate sheer out of frustration. But hats off to both Zaheer and Ghamdi, who dealt him with patience.
From the outset, Sina had realised this time he was confronted by no 'self-proclaimed scholars' but those with substance and knowledge who time and again backed their arguments with references and rational explanations and requested him to stay focussed on a particular line of reasoning until concluded before levelling scores of other unsubstantiated claims. He, however, knew from the very first exchanges of replies that he had to adopt diversionary tactics to disguise his weaknesses.
Ali Sina can be declared defeated on a number of grounds ranging from breaking the rules of the discussions (set in the beginning and accepted by both parties) to resorting to puerile discussions full of gimmicks and no scholarly aptitude. But it is because of this ground alone, I would not consider him defeated as a fight between a light weight boxer and a heavy weight is not technically allowed to proceed. Sina was clearly below par in every aspect except his ability to fill pages with mere empty rhetoric.
This exercise though is a clear guide to serious and sincere scholars not to engage in discussions with someone like Sina until a) he familiarizes himself with the norms of a scholarly debate b) ceases to be his own judge c) agrees to adhere to the rules of a debate. If this does not happen in future, both parties will be losers; his opponents though will be bigger losers wasting their precious time to an emotional and non-serious attention seeker.
I request you to go through the latest debate between Ali Sina & Jamshed Iqbal (an un-known Islamic scholar) who has exposed the reality of Ali Sina. Jamshed Iqbal's premise was Mohammad's (pbuh) genuine prophetic experience and Mr. Ali Sina was to prove otherwise through scholarly and philosophical discussion. I am pasting the final message of Jamshed Iqbal for reader's interest:
Deare Ali Sina,
I accepted your debate challenge:
To prove Mohammad’s (pbuh) genuine oneness with Supreme Reality &
Reality of his prophetic experience! (plz go through my previous message)
It meant that my position, in the debate was supposed to be affirmative one, and yours, the other way round. The other point I made clear was that:
It should not be just point-scoring or ego-strutting! &
We, as members of human family and meaning-seeking creatures, would try to solve the puzzle of our existence with some perennial and ever-fresh questions before us........
Let me clear you certain points. Problem of the prophet-hood is the question of means, sources and ends of knowledge—the question of epistemology in scholarly terms. Here you were supposed to announce your “position” by clearing, what according to you distinguishes adequate knowledge from inadequate (false) knowledge To lay the basis of your conclusion that Mohammad (pbuh) was charlatan—false pretender of knowledge (nauzu billah). You would have to choose one position among some possibilities:
Putting more emphasis on logical and empirical methods, stressing that knowledge is an apprehension of necessary and universal principles. (causal determinism, empirical materialism: Aristotelian position)
You had other option to declare that, ” knowledge is merely an awareness of absolute, universal Ideas or Forms, existing independent of any subject trying to apprehend to them” (Idealism: Platonic position)
Knowledge is the product of sensory perception, and rationalism which sees it as the product of rational reflection (Post-renaissance scientific empiricism)
Knowledge results from a kind of mapping or reflection of external objects, through our sensory organs, possibly aided by different observation instruments, to our brain or mind. (reflection-correspondence theory: if you adopted that position you would have to enter into the mazy realm of language and its relation to reality towards Structuralism & Post structuralism)
Knowledge is an empirical statement which comes from analytical truth (Comte’s position: Logical Positivism)
Please, honestly, go through my last messages and see if you had any understanding of my position I declared in the very first message! Please see clearly if you have any understanding of your own position! What you put forward is quite irrelevant at this stage. For:
We were to see the issue in light of some perennial and ever-fresh questions (see my first message wherein I discussed about the norms)
What are these perennial questions? The “umbrella question” is “what is truth”. All the branches of sciences and philosophy, in some way or other, have this one question before them. Human beings responded their impulse to know the truth in four distinctive ways:
1. Myth making (with the aid of imagination of symbolism)
2. Philosophy (with the aid of reason)
3. Science (Analysis and apparatus)
4. Religion (empathy and intuition)
I was to tell you about the validity of religious experiences by telling you confines and margins of all other sources! I am sorry my friend you have even no idea as what the debate is about! What areas of knowledge or disciplines our debate falls in! Or even how to debate on these issues!
You were right in inviting Mr. Zakir Naik for he was your good match! And your whole knowledge abut Islam is based on the understandings of Zakir Naiks! You have never been fortunate enough to see those who live Islam or those who found Islam!
You and Zakir Naiks are, in principle, sailing in the same boat—they do not know what they are defending and you don’t know what you are criticizing! Both of you are perspective-less—but perspective is everything!
It goes without saying that you have never bothered to ponder upon these problems quite seriously. Please ask yourself this question in some honest moment! Or you left them for they were far beyond your observational understanding badly entangled somewhere else? So your intellect remained dormant (it tells)—and it was entangled in minor things—in phenomenal world or appearance that is always deceptive!
I am sorry my friend, you have lost the debate before it started! However, I am giving you thirty years’ grace period to let your intellect ripe! To let these perennial questions pinch the sleep from your eyes and pinch rest from your soul—to let your bones melt in pangs of wonder and doubt until you get a peace of truth within you! I pray for that peace for you!
I would salute your honestly if you publish this comment on your blog as well! I would even acknowledge your integrity if you stop challenging Muslim scholars for debate! I would even adore you as a friend if you, honestly, rub out from your heart the prejudice that is product of your myopic understanding! I assure you Mohammad (pbuh) is lovingly offering you a priceless treasure but you are refusing it for your gaze is tenaciously fixed on filth of hatred! And one is there where one’s gaze rests!
I have nothing more to say. I will debate when you are ripe! For its question to save the humanity!
I guess that ALI Sina will become muslim. The way he is trying to criticize Islam may let him end up with Loving Islam.
I think you should come out of the frogs (Ali S.) well, and start looking at the refutations to Ali sina. Trust me it is as easy as to find dry grass in grassland. And by the way what reality you need us to face. All I can say is don’t depend upon borrowed knowledge and if you need to judge the holy Quran then make an effort to read the holy Quran with an unbiased mind. I am sure if you are talented enough to judge between Dr. Zaheer or for that matter Mr. Ghamidi and Ali Sina, then you will not find any difficulty in differentiating the message of the holy Quran & lies of Ali S.
Still if you find difficulty in find the refutation please feel free to respond. I will be too glad to tour you.
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